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liz rios

I recently had to speak at a women in ministry conf to black women pastors on the 'idea' that latinos and blacks should partner together. This is what I feel about all this 'stuff'...
a. the conversation is not just a black and white issue and it angers me that so many people think they "got it" just because they talk blk/white issues, they invite more blacks to an event, etc. etc. So the invitations have to be more inclusive period.
b. Each culture does have their own priority list and partnerships are based on how those lists can be addressed by working together...which i believe can and should be done but people just love to hear themselves talk (or write) about it all the time...I'm waiting for some concrete stuff to example...I got to go to the last emergent conf free because someone wanted me there as a Latina BUT then no followup, no invitation to stay connected as a matter of fact, the 'conveners' of the event never even spoke to me or the others who were came with me about making these conversations more inclusive.
c. people just got their own problems and becoming this pot of diversity just isn't their top ten things to do in 2005 (or ever)
d. the church emerging can still (and maybe does) look like the church diminishing in influence because these "little" big issues don't get discussed

my thoughts...


Great thoughts. Thanks for including this, Wes. It makes me want to meet Steve!

Scott Dewey

Thanks for this conversation, Wes... much needed.

For more I'd suggest these blogs...

Rick Yorgey

The question on the tip of my tongue these days for nearly every African-American Christian friend I run into is this, "Is the African-American culture post-modern?"

I've gotten a variety of responses, but many of them start with, "That's a good question," which supports the observation of others that not much thinking is going on around this issue. Among those I've asked are young professional guys in their 20's, my pastor, and a parachurch leader who has been involved in ministry for almost 40 years (some of those years as a pastor), but probably the most compelling answer was from a guy in his 20's who ministers with The Navigators in the Raliegh-Durham area. He lives and ministers in the 'hood but also has significant realtionships on some of the campuses which are all over that metropolitan area. He says that the African-American culture is very clearly becoming post-modern, that the younger African-American generations are already there across the spectrum: rich and poor, educated and uneducated.

His opinion is that we HAVE to begin retooling and or re-creating our church expressions to minister to this reality. He doesn't think it's impossible for a "modern" church to become "post-modern", but he clearly sees some of the huge difficulties and roadblocks involved in that change. "In Christ there is always hope," he said, but he also agreed that it would be a rare pastor who could/would reliquish some of the trappings of his "office" in order to become a "Frodo-like" leader.

On a personal level, this is all very difficult for us. As Anglos ministering in the African-American community (since 1990) it takes us years to develop a level of trust in a church fellowship which enables us to minister effectively in that place. To now consider leaving so much of what has been built is somewhat mind-boggling. Thankfully, all we have to do is follow the leading of our King!

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